Dirty Laundry

KBTV broke the Tom Gilliam story. KFDM, KBMT, and The Enterprise chose to wait. What about The Examiner, The Port Arthur News or The Record? Who's right?

What if nothing happens for a year? What if nothing happens at all?

Your answers are worth 10 points each.

144 comments:

Anonymous said...

Where there's smoke...

Dr. Nye The Science Guy said...

The DNA testing will determine his fate. If his DNA is in that house, he deserves what he gets. If it's not, then we all owe him a huge apology.

Buckwheat said...

You know, he's got the whole scumbag black preacher thang going on and that last fiasco where him and those dufuses Eddins and Coon (hehe) made him look like darkie been ridin the pony. But this 16 year old girl? And Gilliam is a hardass on truancy cases. Is there even a good guy in this fight? My big question is why he didn't just boink a 17 year old. I keep a laminated Age of Consent by state in my wallet and it keeps me out of trouble.

Anonymous said...

The Judges' defense is Klein set him up. No shittin!

Anonymous said...

You spelled "shitting" wrong.........Philip

Anonymous said...

Everyone who chose not to air or print the story is correct. You don't run with baseless accusations.

Anonymous said...

Fact is that Ch 4 beat the others to the story and they won't admit they were wrong. The claims were not baseless- it's called having good sources...

Anonymous said...

Once again, you cant count on us!

Anonymous said...

As far as you're concerned the claims ARE baseless. You have one person claiming she was raped by another with no additional evidence. If you air that, all you're really doing is airing rumor. It's horribly irresponsible thing to do.

Anonymous said...

Boy Kline sure showed KFDM

Sam the Eagle said...

Yes, Philip has a long history of "showing up" the media.

Anonymous said...

Are you kidding? Baiting others perhaps?? Get real! "sources say..." and "..who did not want to be identified.."

Journalists like that work here: www.nationalenquirer.com/

Anonymous said...

You guys can't help being last on a story. We beat your ass by talking to a relative. If you panty wastes can't handle doing a story about a rape allegation because some one might get hurt you will never break a story.

Anonymous said...

Typical local media.....Could care less about what really goes on in the community. Just want to let everything slide, esp. with the big dogs in the community.
Yes, local media, you do suck. You can tell us about wrecks and weekend festivals, but any hard news, and investigative journalism, forget it.
At least KBTV is giving a try, I can't figure KFDM out, you were good at one time, now I can't watch. It's like you have gotten lazy and are afraid you'll mess up you retirement.

Anonymous said...

As much as we all hate Philip and what he does at least he has some balls. Two faced reporters are nothing to make excuses for.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone tell me where the trash clean ups and link sales this weekend?

Also, I would like to know if there are any car wrecks in Vidor.

Anonymous said...

"Two faced reporters are nothing to make excuses for."

You should not end a sentence with a preposition........Philip.

Anonymous said...

Shit! Just read Klein's site. I'm not sure about it. What is a good rule?

Anonymous said...

Wait for the news team from 6 to get off the air to answer.

Anonymous said...

Yep, big news, people stole the AL from Groves Fire Dept. hoses....Beaumont Fire Dept. got new TVs....Some tall 20 yr. old kid with problems is Mr. West Brook......I am on the edge of my seat with this hard breaking news......YAWN!!!!

Anonymous said...

Drudge was the first to report the blue dress story and look where that got him. I want to point this out to all media. It's time to take risk. The news is fractured and if you keep the old mindset your toast. I hope a majority of you do not take this to heart because my income depends on eyeballs. But for the ones that do, I want to visit with your sales manager.

Anonymous said...

So, what you're saying is this: If a woman who may have a political vendetta against someone. (let's say a county official) She accuses that official of rape just to spite him. The DA's office has an obligation to investigate the allegation, but has no other evidence aside from the accusation. All the local media hears about this and all but one group decides to hold back on the story because of the lack of evidence. That one group goes with the story without anything other than a claim of rape.

Now you have a situation where that one group may have just added fuel to a false accusation just because they wanted to claim they were the first to have it. Is that responsible? It's certainly not brave. You've just slurred someone's name because you were yanked around like a puppet.

Anonymous said...

So you are saying you want to not say anything until after the fact. Hell the public can get that info. Sometime you have to go further that what everybody else is reporting. A good reporter should be interviewing people before the cops. Hell I could be a reporter (recorder) by your standards. This is what pisses me off about all the media in our little town. Why is Beuamont spending millions on downtown when we all know it's not a tourist destination? Why is Thomas paid for the results he has gotten for the last several years? I would love to read the comments from the local mediaof why they have let Thomas and the BISD get by for the last ten years.

Who's name have I slurred? I mentioned no names in my post you commented on? If you come back with this post and say I've slurred Thomas, we need to start a side group which I will comment and invite your opinion without resort to name calling or slurring my opinion.

Do you want to go for it?

Anonymous said...

Since I know who won't debate. Let's say some reporter justifies him/herself by saying a woman had a political vendetta against a man in his fifities. Now lets say it's a 16 year old girl who just happens to decide to throw this charge out. What vendetta does she have? She's a kid. Now if you feel this is a setup you should have been the first to investigate and report this. I'll give you an opening, your nothing but a liberal pussy. Now, I want to fist argue about the first two items , but at the end I debate you about just how much you are a liberal pussy. Shit I probably work with you.

Anonymous said...

this is the same media that convicted tiger woods on every crime in the book, based on allegations and a simple accident report.
Yet our local media doesnt want to report on a no good sorry local JP because he might sue them. it is the intimidation factor. our media knows what is good for us.

Anonymous said...

anon. 11:22 "...panty waste..." Again Philip's inability to spell correctly is so poor that spell check can't help him. (I though you said in the past that you always sign your name.) Philip lies.

Anonymous said...

ANSWER: panty waste

QUESTION: what did the coroner find in Philip's cranial cavity during the autopsy?

Anonymous said...

So you guys in the media fuck it up like a bunch of donkey dicks that you are? Then attack so blogger? You people are fucked up.

Anonymous said...

"Then attack so blogger?"

Looks like Philip's hitting the Jack a little early today.

Sam the Eagle said...

We Sam the Eagle do post on Trog. When you see our name, you see that we have posted and that we signed our name on the post and that we posted the post on Trog. When we sign our name, we sign it and then we post and then we put a watermark on our name and on our post so that you know that it is us, Sam t. Eagle, editor.

Sam t. Eagle, editor


!watermark!

Anonymous said...

Finally a morning show for SETX that is big market quality in both content and entertainment value. EXACTLY what a morning show should be.

I wish James would try this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWgZcpcKB5U

Anonymous said...

I like the Klien website. It's on of the last places that has freedom of speech. I wish more poeple other than reporters would come on board. I chllange any reporter to debate the Arizona law. Did any of you report of Congrassman Poe grill Holder. The local media is a (). I will suggest you challenge. Not one station ran the Poe question, you all make me sick. I worked in the media for 18 years , but I was about making mONEY. I always felt that you poeple do not know about the real world. And this goes up to the top media.

Anonymous said...

You are wrong... Fox 4 covered it and sat down with him on the morning show for a full 5 mins. Quit referring to the 'media' when only talking about the slackers at 6 and 12. :)
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=122956274389109&ref=mf

Anonymous said...

Just in case your the last to know in SETX, nobody watches Fox. You can report crap all day long, but if nobody watches, it didn't happen.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone care? Anyone?

Anonymous said...

If you mean does anyone care about fox? Or does anyone care about the story? I still challenge the local media to report on things like the Poe story. Nobody watches fox so it's up to the rest of the media to report things that matter.

Anonymous said...

And I really don't have a axe to grind with fox. I thought getting rid of Chris the GM was a mistake, but I hear your station is going after a younger audiance. I suggest you need to start developing video games. One better buy the next big social network. I hear you can get facebook for a cool four billion. Better increase your advertising rates.

Anonymous said...

Hey KBTV.... who was your source? You said the Port Arthur Police confirmed the arrest warrant, yet, police chief, sgts, etc, say they did no such thing. Why don't you call the Port Arthur Police out on this horrible back tracking? They said it, why are they now claiming (as is the DA's office) that they said no such thing. Come on, where's your balls? Are they telling a fib or did you make that part up?

Anonymous said...

Arrest warrant for what? What are you talk about. We will answer.

Anonymous said...

KBTV NEVER reported their was an arrest warrant... simply that there was an investigation. Get your story straight, THEN fire at Fox. Goodness.

Anonymous said...

You said they fired the old GM at FOX? Why?

Anonymous said...

You all are the same. I asked for your opinions about the Arizona law and it went to to the wayside. I bet 95 percent of you doesn't know what the hell I'm talking about. Without your teleprompters or AP feeds, you guys don't know shit. Here's a thought, one of the stations should have a weekly debate with concerened citizens and the reps of the companies invovled. I'm disgusted at my own media. Not one in this town reported about Poe tearing up the AG during questioning. Yes Fox 4 said they did, but Fox is trying to appeal to the demo between 13 and 18. Their demos are more worried about puberty then a national crises.

Anonymous said...

Shit that hurt! Maybe a rapping news man next?

Anonymous said...

Okay it is God damn official. Channel Six is a fucking train wreck. The little girl cannot read and sounds like she has been taking one or two down the throat this weekend. Cooper said Sea Breeze Showers about ten fucking times like he was drunk. And then the goofy motherfucking Sports guy sitting up on the God Damn stage with the brothers got cut off twice? WTF? Close the door and turn off the lights! News we can count on right? Fuck you channel six! Looking foward to the next restaurant report card. Now you go boy! Shit has that place gone to the fucking curb!

Anonymous said...

I would love to give Ashley Gaston a throater. I wonder if she is shaved or shrubby?

Anonymous said...

I agree with ANON 8:28. It was so bad the wife and I turned off the TV and went to bed. Where do they get these goofballs? How much do they make? Does anyone know?

Dana's plugs said...

Fox 4 morning show is a joke. Ratings are garbage. Stunts like a rapping weather guy is a pathetic last string.

Anonymous said...

Well Erika Harris needs to learn to conjugate the verb "to be"

Anonymous said...

Ericka Harris is a class act....
and rarely makes on air "mis-reads".
Rookies can learn a thing or 2....

Anonymous said...

Fuck, I've been fuckin' away and not a damn thing has changed.....Dallas had some real fuckin' news...

Anonymous said...

Oh God Damn! Here we fucking go again. This time Ron the Brother cannot even say pipeline? Does he even know what the fuck a Pipeline is? Then here goes the death march through the fucking grave yard. Three dead people stories. Then a robbery? Dead air. Now to good news for the rich people of Port Neches. Dumb dead and dickheads! Another train wreck.

Anonymous said...

I stand corrected. Fox only lied about the police confirming that a search was done at the dude's house. My bad, but then I'm only a cop.

Anonymous said...

Come on, lay off Fox.
It's 9:30 a.m.
Enterprise says fatal fire
KFDM says fatal fire
Even KBMT Says fatal fire
Fox says....Police yesterday release name of victim from a yesterday story....
Don't worry; they'll post it when the press release comes out.

Anonymous said...

KBTV sucks, KFDM is really starting to suck, KBMT is not much better, but guess what? They now have HD....They now get my viewership.

Dana's plugs said...

Why watch KBMT because of HD? now we see the pimples on faces and big head Dave.

Anonymous said...

Those are pimples?

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I guess we couldn't handle Uncle Larry in HD....

Luke Duke said...

It is so funny to watch the suckass local media try to pile on Super Thomas and Jessie Haynes. It reminds me of when Channel 6 went after Julia Samuels of the PAISD.

So ultimately, what good did that entire episode do for PAISD and the city of Port Arthur? You got it! Nothin'! It's still dead and decaying, the murders and violent crime have gotten worse (see last weekend, thanks niggers for killing an innocent mom). You niggers must be proud of your nigger culture.

But I digress, all the coverage has not mattered even a little bit. And so it will be with Jessie Haynes and BISD. Thomas rewards loyalty, and she is loyal to the end. As are people like Naomi Lawrence-Lee and Dr. David Tuescher. So report what you like, do what you do, it's over and dead. Look at your census demographics when it all comes out.

Have Whitey Neild tell me about books from Jessie and make a big deal out of it. Beaumont is dead, Jeff County is dead. G'night.

Anonymous said...

Erica Harris never misreads??? Yeah fucking right- Shes the worst of all!!! Fox must be doing something right- everyone keeps talking about them.

Anonymous said...

Let's see. KFDM has story on BISD book... KBMT has story on BISD book... KBTV (the one that breaks all the stories) has... has.... well, they'll have it when the press release comes out. Or are they protecting Dr. Thomas for some reason?

Anonymous said...

When can we watch all of the shitty news in HD? I cannot wait!

Anonymous said...

You failed to note that the Enterprise had the BISD book story as well.

Anonymous said...

Ole Phil says..." a candidate for JP - and this time - the cops did the right thing and have exposed the Jefferson County District Attorney's office to the public. As well they should have. The Southeast Texas Political Review has learned that JP Candidate for Judge Thomas Tyler Jr. of Silsbee, Texas, was accused of "Burglary, Assault Family Violence, and simple Assault, as well as impeding a 911 call" after Tyler apparently broke into a home on Windemer Drive, in Beaumont, Texas.

I'm sure everyone in the media knows the dude went to get his own property and his X claimed it was burglary.

X wives and girlfriends have NEVER lied in this type of thing.

Hang it up Phil, get real

Anonymous said...

Klein's still pissed at Maness because of the deal where his kid hit his mother.

Anonymous said...

I don't know about that. I just read the PDF's that Klein posted. Looks like Klein might be right on this one.

Anonymous said...

As I female I want the person that wrote about x girlfriends to know you are disgusting.

Anonymous said...

Maybe we can all watch Klein's story tonight in HD?

Anonymous said...

Boy the apple doesn't fall far from the tree does it?

A Cop said...

Really nice! The media blaming klein for reporting the da? That is funny shit!

Anonymous said...

I thought this was Greg's last week?

Anonymous said...

Klein's website is the journalistic equivalent of the bathroom wall in a dilapidated truck stop, smelling of urine and cheap cigarettes.

Anonymous said...

Does that make the local media the God Damn shitter? You fucking media dumbasses don't get it. You read your God Damn press releases and report it in HD? Who gives a fuck? Fuck you too Klein. You are damn sure below these dick licks.

Anonymous said...

such language.................Philip

Anonymous said...

This is so exciting! I am home ready to throw up my dinner while I watch the press releases in HD! What do you bet the first story is about a hate crime? Fucking dumb mother fucking press. Can't wait until I take my morning shit and read the surEnterprise.

Anonymous said...

The book story is a blip. Should the book have been given out with some editing? No, for a school official it was a bit rough.
That language is about right for most schools. It is rude, and crude. You do not want to know what your little darlings are doing during the weekend....

Amos said...

i heard greg is leaving to farm. We will miss him. See this:License
Number: 77011
Date Received: 05/07/2010
Status: Active
Document Type: ASN
Effective Date: 05/07/2010
Expiration Date: 05/07/2020
Comments:
Continued From:
Continued To:
Business Type: PROPRIETORSHIP
Assumed Name: BOSTWICK FARMS
Address: 18589 GEORGE BAUER LANE

City: WINNIE
State: TX
Zip: 77665

Parties
Type Name Abandon Date
P BOSTWICK FARMS
P BOSTWICK GREGORY

Transactions
Action Trans.ID Action Date Image
NEW FILING 57179 05/07/2010

Anonymous said...

I heard Greg was leaving to be a piano player in a whorehouse.

Anonymous said...

Uh... Bostwick is already a farmer. He has been for some time, now.

Anonymous said...

Uh... Greg has been a farmer for a long time, now.

Anonymous said...

Everybody clap. I'll never waste my time on this blog. I asked for a comment on May 14, but I din't get one opinion. I thought I would get a least one. You guys need to go out and have sex at least once. I'm out of here, so don't bother a reply unless it will make your little egos feel better. Your a bunch of dumbasses and I'll never watch, read or hear anouther local story. The internet is going to put everyone OOB. And you all are virgens, that sucks.

Sam the Eagle said...

We here at the Sam the Eagle Political Review want to congratulate Philip r. Klein, editor on his latest blasting of the media.

Way to go Philip.

Sam t. Eagle, editor.

Anonymous said...

Just getting home to watch all the news in HD! I cannot wait!

Anonymous said...

Hey Philip,
When you write your letters to yourself remember it's piqued my interest not "peaked". I would tell you to use spell check but I don't think it would help. The funny thing is I heard once that if you put a hundred monkeys in front of a hundred typewriters for a hundred years one would type a Shakespeare play. Maybe you could hire a monkey to help you write letters to yourself.

Anonymous said...

All these Philip haters out there. Like him or hate him, he's the only one that actually speaks his mind on subjects that matter. Fact or opinion, he still broadcasts his thoughts on actual current events in the area. Not like you lifeless fags orbiting around 'bushes' or 'throaters' or 'farm-retirement' or actually have nothing better to do but use your infinite technical wisdom to look up someone's information on public tax rolls. Maybe some fucking Shakespeare Monkey can write a response to this after you put down your K2 roach, nigee...

Anonymous said...

Man the Rangers slammed the Orioles. Don't they play the Cubs tomorrow?

Anonymous said...

The problem with Phil is that he is neither "fact OR Opinion". He is Fiction.

Anonymous said...

Top ten stupid things PIO's do.

1) Write a lame ass book and sign your real name.

2) Keep sending emails "accidentally" to all of the media exposing your computer illiteracy

3) Work for BISD

4) Ignore calls from the media then cry that all of the stories are one-sided

5) Get in a pissing match with Jerry Jordan

6) Work for BISD

7) Send out emails with misspellings

8) Send out emails about your beefs with people complete with misspellings

9) Work for BISD

10) Use your position at a taxpayer-funded entity as a way to promote your own publication.

Anonymous said...

Yo Phil, why not keep that stuff on your own blog?

Anonymous said...

This is going to sound like I'm slamming FOX, but it is a real question.

Fox says..."The city of Port Arthur is not releasing the police report filed against Jefferson County Justice of the Peace Tom Gillam."

Is it proper to say a report was filed AGAINST a person? It is just a report, right?

Just wondering.

Philip R. Klein said...

Friday Trog Read - On Friday Afternoons we try and read Trog from where I left off the week before. I must say that we are blamed for almost 50% of the posts on site. Smart readers get it that this is a chance for those in the media to dump on this site. We thought about dropping it - but you know.....it really shows.....so we will leave the connection to it. As you can assume - we DO NOT write on Trog unless we post it here also and place a watermark in the paragraph. So keep reading. And Enjoy - thanks to Trog for allowing me to post.

Sam the Eagle said...

We Sam the Eagle do post on Trog. When you see our name, you see that we have posted and that we signed our name on the post and that we posted the post on Trog. When we sign our name, we sign it and then we post and then we put a watermark on our name and on our post so that you know that it is us, Sam t. Eagle, editor.

Sam t. Eagle, editor


!watermark!




...........Philip lies............

Anonymous said...

Is Greg really leaving?

Anonymous said...

Why can't these people go away? Take your fight to another site.

Anonymous said...

Word on the street is that Fox 4 has more press clubs awards than 6 or 12. Yet more evidence that people watch their station of choice out of habit... not because it is the best that is offered.

Anonymous said...

When did Fox get a news cast?

Anonymous said...

If what 2:23 p.m. said is true, then why try? That statement, if true, would be proof positive that there is no talent needed in broadcasting, no skills needed for news, and indicates nothing but luck is needed to be a success. ..... or, it could be an excuse offered up by a loser. Wonder which it is?

Anonymous said...

ANSWER: Watermark


QUESTION: What kind of stain did the coroner find inside of Philip's cranial cavity during the autopsy?

Don Henley said...

Well, I could've been an actor, but I wound up here
I just have to look good, I don't have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry

Anonymous said...

Klein is dead? When?

Anonymous said...

What's the deal with Brian Glen's hairline?

Anonymous said...

I heard Jim Walker ended up in Fort Myers.

Anonymous said...

Hey guys, Microsoft, Google and Sony is introducing an internet TV that will destroy cable. local and satillite. Time to hang out in the park and hope George Michaels shows up. Shit that sucked

Anonymous said...

I don't care about Greg or Klein. I want to hear about Kelli Phillip's and Ashley Gaston's bushes. (I bet both are shaved) Who really knows?

Anonymous said...

You mean just like internet radio got rid of regular radio? I thought Clear Channel still owned the world?

Anonymous said...

How come FOX is not on top of that huge story PK has about the coverup at the DA's office? I thought they were all about breaking the big story. PK has had the story for weeks now. Why is FOX covering up for the DA?

Anonymous said...

Because, as with most of his crap, it is a non issue.

Anonymous said...

Like SiriusXM? yea, that was a bust.

Anonymous said...

Did Greg leave KFDM? I missed him on the evening news last night. Rumors in our office is that he left? Can anyone tell us if this is true?

Anonymous said...

No, Greg did not leave. Philip

Anonymous said...

Philip, you really need to stop referring to yourself as "us". It is a dead giveaway.

Anonymous said...

Thats funny!

Anonymous said...

It is really funny! Even more funny to know that it was not Klein!

Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone believes that...Philip.

Anonymous said...

What's the story up here in Evadale? We keep hearing the Supt. is hiding something about his staff?

Anonymous said...

It was Silsbee. He lied on his application.

Anonymous said...

Who is that hot weather girl on 12?

Anonymous said...

There is something in Evadale too. Something about a faculty member. They are very hush-hush about the situation.

Anonymous said...

Young teacher the subject
Of schoolgirl fantasy
She wants him so badly
Knows what she wants to be
Inside her there's longing
This girl's an open page
Book marking She's so close now
This girl is half his age

Anonymous said...

Teacher Teacher!

Anonymous said...

Oh Philip....get a life.

Anonymous said...

I thought Philip was on Fox

Anonymous said...

Oh Philip...stop writing about yourself.

Anonymous said...

What's this about Klein and the Stark Foundation getting sued?

Anonymous said...

It couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Anonymous said...

Oh Philip...stop trying to toot your own horn!

Sam the Eagle said...

For the latest on Philip Klein, check out www.operationkleinwatch.blogspot.com or www.notthisonetoojacques.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

What can we do about getting Philip Klein off of this web site. All he does is make things up and post about himself. Go away philip.

Anonymous said...

He'll shut up after the Stark Foundation pays millions of dollars to the people he harassed.

Anonymous said...

Sure he will...Philip. You give yourself away.

Anonymous said...

I think Brian Glen has a cool haircut,its his gay ass shirts that annoy me...

Anonymous said...

Bostwick is retiring on June 4th (Friday)....we wish him the best of luck....Channel 6 is a dumpster fire...Mike McNerd is in the Guiness Book of World Records for the World's Shortest Anchor

Anonymous said...

Oh Philip...nice try again!

Anonymous said...

What are all of those feathers in the road? Did a bird get hit by a truck?

Anonymous said...

Oh Philip, here you go again. You are a dead giveaway!

Sam the Eagle said...

http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/opinions/Case.asp?FilingID=31492




...........Philip lies............

Anonymous said...

The five stages of grief are:

1-Denial-"this can't be happening to me." No crying. Not accepting or even acknowledging the loss.


2-Anger-"why me?", feelings of wanting to fight back or get even.


3-Bargaining-bargaining often takes place before the loss. Attempting to make deals.


4-Depression-overwhelming feelings of hopelessness, frustration, bitterness, self pity, mourning the loss.


5-Acceptance-there is a difference between resignation and acceptance. You have to accept the loss.

VOTE FOR JEFF BRANICK FOR COUNTY JUDGE! HELL YES!

Anonymous said...

Pathological lying is falsification entirely disproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and very complicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a lifetime

Anonymous said...

Nice try...Philip

Anonymous said...

Is this blog run by Phil or someone else at channel 4??

Anonymous said...

Oh Philip. Nice try again. Talking about yourself now?

Anonymous said...

Press Club Awards do not equal ratings.

Anonymous said...

Deal with the pain any way you can..Fox has the momentum and all the other stations are just jealous..Its that obvious..

Anonymous said...

Don't be mad that Fox swept nearly every award at the Press Club. Shows that Channel 6 & 12's reporters have gone down the tubes. Bostwick's farewell party is next week. Good luck Greg working at the plant. Now Channel 6 is screwed without their best weather guy! Oh and for KJAC, nobody is watching your garbage. I think most of us forgot that you even exist.

Anonymous said...

KFDM swept nearly every first place award in the Press Club, including Best Newscast, Best Investigative and most reporting categories. KBTV rapper won weather because no one else entered!